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Showing posts with label Sir Henry Ferrers. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Sir Henry Ferrers. Show all posts

Tuesday, November 6, 2018

Some guesswork in early 14th century

Sir Henry Ferrers #18 has a birth and death date given on Ancestry, 1355-1388. He was my 18th great grandfather. (I've added the number of greats that he represents, so I can keep straight which Sir Henry Ferrers he was.)

We have names for his parents, but no dates.  So it's guesswork time.  I've figured his parents must have been born around 1335, and died after his birth (obviously, so sometime after 1355.)

His father was William de Ferrers #19 (about 1335-after 1355) and his mother was Margaret de Ufford #19 (about 1335-after 1355.)  I found real dates with several Find A Grave UK And Ireland listings. Most are substantiated by an excellent Dictionary of Biography covering the de Ufford family.

And there's a Find a Grave listing for Sir William de Ferrers  #19 (follows)

William became 3rd Baron of Groby at the age of 9, but quickly gained seizin of his holdings, with an annuity of £50 at age 12 and licence of the moiety of his manors by age 17. Two years later he was knighted, paid his knights fee and his homage to the King, and received livery of all his parents former lands in England and Ireland. Military prowess was the measure of such advancement, and he joined Prince Edward's command (the future Edward III) in time for the 1355 campaign in Gascony. The following year he was in the Earl of Suffolk's command at the Battle of Poitiers.


His father had been a stalwart of Edward II, and William showed conspicuous ambition, undertaking to join the King for several years of campaigning in France, and was exepmted from Royal levies on his holdings in compensation-- a sure sign of high favor in times where Edward II was so beset by rivalries and outright threats to his rule, that he had episodes of paranoia.  


Unlike many of his descendants, who had to cover all contingencies during the chaos after Edward III's reign, William had no appetite for conspiracy, and busied himself in further military service-- but he chafed for action during the brief intervals of peace, showing at least one element of the complex and fractious temperment that was to thrive in coming generations when nuance was the norm, and loyalties were sworn with undisclosed contingencies in mind.


He rose in station, marrying the daughter of his patron the Earl of Essex, Margaret de Ufford, and his son Henry grew up in the "family business" of that Lord, which was the practiced study and vigorous prosecution of war-- and did justice to the advantages of his breeding and training, during the long and expansionist reign of Edward III.

His wife, Margaret de Ufford #19, has parents notated (again without dates.) But I'm in luck because there are 14 hints given through Ancestry for her father, Robert de Ufford #20, and some for her mother as well, Margaret de Norwich #20 (1300-3 Sept 1375).  So I'm going to go winnow out the ones for the wrong century and see if any actually help me out.

Robert, Lord of Ufford Earl van Suffolk #20 (10 Aug 1298- 4 Nov 1369)

From Find a Grave UK and Ireland:

Campsey AshSuffolk Coastal DistrictSuffolkEngland
Robert d'afford #20, 1st Earl of Suffolk, KG (10 August 1298 – 4 November 1369) was born in Thurston, Suffolk, England to Robert d'Ufford #21 and Cecily de Valises #21. 

On 13 November 1334 he married Margaret de Norwich #20, daughter of Sir Walter Norwich  #21 and Catherine de Hedersete #21

They had four children. He was made Earl of Suffolk in 1337.
1.Lady Catharine d'Ufford (born c. 1317, date of death unknown) married Sir Robert de Scales, 3rd Baron Scales
2.Lady Cecily d'Ufford (born c. 1327 – died before 29 March 1372 she married John Willoughby
3.Lady Margaret d'afford # 19 (born c. 1330 – died before 25 May 1368) she married Sir William Ferrers #19, 3rd Baron Ferrers of Groby
4.William d'Ufford, 2nd Earl of Suffolk (1339–1382) married Lady Joan de Montacute,

(from Find a Grave UK, also in Dictionary of Biographies, Vol. 20)


Monday, November 5, 2018

William Ferrers story

Today I'm checking for more in the male lineage along the Ferrers.

William Ferrers (#17 great grandfather) moved from a birthplace in Bedfordshire to a place of death in Essex...(1372-1445).

His burial is in St. Mary's Priory in Ulvfrscroft, Charnwood Borough, Leicestershire, England.

Another Find a Grave entry gives a good biography of him:
5th Baron Ferrers of Groby.
5th Lord Ferrers of Groby, Knight of Groby, Leicestershire, vidame of Chartres.

Son of Sir Henry Ferres #18 and Joan de Poynings #18, grandson of Sir William de Ferrers #20 and Margaret de Ufford #20 , Sir Luke Poynings #20 and Isabel Saint John #20. Born at the manor house of Hoo and baptized at Luton, Bedfordshire 25 April 1372.

William #17 married Philippe Clifford #17, daughter of Sir Roger de Clifford, Lord Clifford #18 and Maud de Beauchamp #18. They married after 10 Oct 1388 and had four sons and three daughters:
* Sir Henry, married Isabel de Mowbray
* Thomas #16, married Elizabeth Greville #16
* John
* Edmund
* Margaret, wife of Sir Richard Grey & Sir Thomas Grey
* Elizabeth, wife of Sir William Culpepper
* Anne

Secondly, he married Margaret de Montagu, daughter of John, Earl of Salisbury and Maud Fraunceys, daughter of Sir Adam.

Thirdly, he married Elizabeth Standish, daughter of Sir William Standish and his wife, Iseult, widow of John de Wrottesley and Sir William Botiller.
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William Ferrers #17's father was:
Sir Henry Ferrers #18(1355-1388)
Henry #18 was born in Tiltey Abbey, and died at Groby Old Hall, whose church served as the parish church of Groby. It was remodeled not long after Henry died, and its tower replaced with a structure of Groby granite, more or less identical in appearance, in the 19th century.

He was the 4th Baron Ferrers of Groby and a supporter of Richard II against the Lancastrians whose dynastic claim was soon to break out into the War of the Roses. He fought for the King in a lost cause to maintain his holdings in Brittany from 1377-1381, and was called to fight in Scotland in 1385.

Son of William de Ferrers #19 and his first wife, Margaret de Ufford #19, daughter of Robert de Ufford #20 and Margaret de Norwich #20
(Find a Grave information, but I've added the #...system for the number of greats of my grandparents.)


I've got a lot more grandparents to add to my tree, thanks to these "find a grave" bio's...of course they may not be correct, in which case, I'll be changing whatever I post as I learn differently.