More on the Weston family roots

 Lady Margaret Mitford Weston (1425-1475) was the child of John De Mitford (April 8, 1402- May 6, 1457.) He was born in Mitford, Northumberland, England, and died in Chillingham, Northumberland, England.

Coat of Arms attached to Mitford family on Ancestry.

Her mother was Constance Ogle of Northumberland (Apri 18, 1402-Oct 4, 1460)  She was born in Ogle Castle, Northumberland, England, and died in Kirkby, Northumberland (or perhaps in Chillingham, Northumberland.)

Ogle Coat of Arms

Their marriage is cited in a lot of histories of the period, though it has different dates ascribed to it; 1421, 1424, and 1427 are all listed in various publications.  Her children did not include a John Weston, she was a Mitford.  So John Mitford was definitely her son.  I've had to remove John Weston from her family, and delete the duplicate Bernard Mitford.  But Margaret was definitely there (to marry into the Weston family.)

Her parents were (my15th great grandparents):

Sir Robert Ogle

1379–1435

BIRTH 21 MAY 1379 • Ogle Castle, Northumberland, England (or 1370 or 1372)

DEATH 12 AUG 1435 • Bothal, Northumberland

and

Maude de Grey Ogle

1382–1451

BIRTH 1382 • Wark, Northumberland, England

DEATH 21 AUG 1451 • Bothal Redesdale, Northumberland

These 15th great grandparents married in 1399. They are buried in Hexham, Northumberland, England.

And Sir Robert's father was  

Robert Ogle I

1351–1410

BIRTH 1351 • Whalton, Northumberland Unitary Authority, Northumberland, England

DEATH 31 OCTOBER 1410 • Hexham, Northumberland Unitary Authority, Northumberland,

He is my 16th great grandfather.  His wife is unknown.

Maude de Grey Oge's mother was 

Jane De Mowbray Grey

1360–

BIRTH 1360 • England

DEATH England

Her father was

Sir Thomas Grey of Hetton

–1400

BIRTH Heton (Northumberland) England

DEATH 26 NOVEMBER 1400

And thus I have 3 of the 16th great grandparents names, some of their dates, and some of their places. 

Early ancestors

Continuing to look at the earliest ancestors on my grandmother's family tree, I mentioned Thomas Bowers (1555-abt. 1620) earlier HERE, when talking about his wife (Elizabeth) Iwerner Minster Bowers (1570-1630).

His parents do appear on the tree, so let's see who my 10th great grandparents were.

Edmond L. Bower, Gent. (1513-1570) was born in Wiltshire, Eng, and died there as well. He married Joan Moggeridge Bower (1509-1569) in 1558 in Lincolnshire, Eng. She died in Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire. And there is a record of their marriage also being listed in "Norfolk, Eng, Musters Returns, 1569, 1572, 1574 1577." Her husband Edmond L. Bower is listed, but not her name as well.

Their son Thomas Bowers is the only child mentioned. 

I am a bit amazed to find her parents are also listed in some Ancestry trees. So let's look at the information on them.

Her father was Richard Moggeridge, born on 21 Feb. 1463 in Heathfield, Sussex, Eng. and he died sometime in 1509...place unknown. His wife was Jane Soper Moggeridge (1483-1521) who was born and died in Heathfield, Sussex, Eng. These are my 11 times great grandparents.

St. Stephens Church, Moreton Valence, Gloucestershire, Eng. where Joan Moggeridge Bower died in 1569.

Back to Edmond L Bower, Gent. His father was Robert Bower, 1493-1517, born and died in Wiltshire, Eng. Edmond's mother was Agnes Weston Bower born between 1493-1500 in Rugley, Staffordshire, Eng. who died in 1535 in Staffordshire, Eng. Her birth date as a range of years 1493-1500 was recorded by the "British Chancery Records, 1386-1558." She was one of 9 children of a family with title. So there were lots of records kept regarding her Weston brothers, and parents.

Agnes' father was Sir John Weston of Rugley, II. His birth in 1458 was in Ockham, Surrey, Eng. and he died in 1527 in Rugeley, Staffordshire, Eng. Her mother was Lady Alice Edshaw Weston, born in Petworth, Sussex, Eng. in about the year 1465, and died in 1547 in Rugley, Staffordshire, Eng. They were my 12 times great grandparents.

The next father of John II was John Weston I 

1418–1483

BIRTH 1418 • Ockham, Surrey, England

DEATH 14 JUNE 1483 • Kent, England

His wife was 

Lady Margaret Mitford Weston 

1425–1475

BIRTH 1425 • Molesdon, Northumberland, ENG

DEATH 31 JAN 1475 • Kent, Eng

Sir John Weston I, (1418-1483) and Lady Margaret Mitford Weston (1425-1475) Bronze memorial in All Saints Churchyard, Ockham, Guildford Borough, Surrey, England

More Weston Rugeley ancestors

Lady Margaret Mitford Weston (1425-1475) was the child of John De Mitford (April 8, 1402- May 6, 1457.) He was born in Mitford, Northumberland, England, and died in Chillingham, Northumberland, England.

Coat of Arms attached to Mitford family on Ancestry.

 Her mother was Constance Ogle of Northumberland (Apri 18, 1402-Oct 4, 1460)  She was born in Ogle Castle, Northumberland, England, and died in Kirkby, Northumberland (or perhaps in Chillingham, Northumberland.)

Ogle Coat of Arms

Their marriage is cited in a lot of histories of the period, though it has different dates ascribed to it; 1421, 1424, and 1427 are all listed in various publications.  Her children did not include a John Weston...honestly I'm rolling my eyes...she was a Mitford.  So John Mitford was definitely her son.  I've had to remove John Weston from her family, and delete the duplicate Bernard Mitford.  But Margaret was definitely there (to marry into the Weston family.)

Her parents were (my15th great grandparents):

Sir Robert Ogle

1379–1435

BIRTH 21 MAY 1379 • Ogle Castle, Northumberland, England (or 1370 or 1372)

DEATH 12 AUG 1435 • Bothal, Northumberland

and

Maude de Grey Ogle

1382–1451

BIRTH 1382 • Wark, Northumberland, England

DEATH 21 AUG 1451 • Bothal Redesdale, Northumberland

These15th grandparents married in 1399. They are buried in Hexham, Northumberland, England.

And Sir Robert's father was  

Robert Ogle I

1351–1410

BIRTH 1351 • Whalton, Northumberland Unitary Authority, Northumberland, England

DEATH 31 OCTOBER 1410 • Hexham, Northumberland Unitary Authority, Northumberland,

He is my 16th great grandfather.  His wife is unknown.

Maude's mother was 

Jane De Mowbray Grey

1360–

BIRTH 1360 • England

DEATH England

Her father was

Sir Thomas Grey of Hetton

–1400

BIRTH Heton (Northumberland) England

DEATH 26 NOVEMBER 1400

And thus I have 3 of the 16th great grandparents names, some of their dates, and some of their places.  No more on this line until I go back to more modern times and start tracing backwards again!

Further back for the Weston family

More on the Weston family...going back when dates seemed pretty skeptical (at least to my mind.)

The other day I stopped after saying this:
Agnes Weston Bowers' father was Sir. John Weston of Rugeley II, (1458-1527). He was born in Ockham, Surry, England, died in Rugeley.  I'm listing his birthplace as Oakham Surrey, but it could have been Litchfield, Staffordshire, or Mayfield Sussex.  Those all are listed as his birthplace, sometime around 1457-58.

Her mother was Lady Alice Edshaw Weston, born 1465 in Petworth, Sussex, England, and died about 1547, location unknown. I don't have any parents listed for Lady Alice Edshaw Weston, who was born either in 1456 or 1465.  Neither was substantiated, but it's more likely the later date so she could have had the youngest of her 9 children.

So now we can go to Sir John Weston's father, Sir John Weston I (1418- June 14, 1483.)  His wife was Lady Margaret Mitford Weston, (1425-Jan 31, 1475). In my humble opinion, the dates of their deaths are from a modern person adding a day and month.  Unless they had legal documents saying these dates, I find many hints over on Ancestry have incredibly modern sources...they should not even come up as hints for 15th century ancestors.  It takes a long while to go through them, even when the publication says it starts in 1578 and later.  These folks weren't alive then, and I'm wishing there was a way to stop these hints.

Anyway, there also were about 4-5 marriage dates given for the Sir John Weston family.  I just picked the earliest when they would have been teens or early twenties.  None of them had documentation.

But there were also photos used for their sites on Ancestry, of a sculptural gravemarker. The person who I copied it from had also used an inaccurate John Weston who died in 1700 from Surey England as one of his saved documents for a 15th century John...so I'm pretty skeptical. I can't read what this marker says, but will add it as well to my site, and hope to find someone who knows that these are the people who were my ancestors. John and Margaret were my 13th great grandparents.

And there are even more parents to consider.

Lady Margaret's father was Sir John of Northumberland, Sheriff de Mitford, (April 8, 1402- May 6, 1457), born in Mitford, Northumberland, Eng, and died in Chillingham, Northumberland, Eng.
His wife was Constance Ogle of Northumberland, England, (1402-1470)  She was born in Ogle castle, of Northumberland. They married in Mitford, also in Northumberland. 

More on her family soon.

10th great grandmother Agnes Weston Bowers

Is there any more information about Agnes Weston Bowers? She may have been born around 1490 in Rugeley, Staffordshire, England. She's an 11th great grandmother. Her first son was born in 1509. Second son, my grandfather times 10 greats, was born in 1513, the same year there is a record of her marriage to Robert Bower (1493-1516).  She died in 1535 in Staffordshire. No other children are mentioned on Ancestry.

Not living in England, I had to look up Rugeley.  There are several other spellings.

 The town, historically known as Rudgeley or Ridgeley, is listed in the Domesday Book. This name is thought to be derived from 'Ridge lee', or 'the hill over the field'. In the mediaevalperiod, it thrived on iron workings and was also a site of glass manufacturing. 

Rugeley is known as an historic market town, which has more recently (19th century) been an industrial town with coal mining, canals, railroads, and then when the mines closed, a period of depression.  An Amazon business has apparently rejuvenated the town's employment.  There have also been 2 years of Quidditch Tournaments held there.  (One must be familiar with J. K. Rowling's works on Harry Potter to understand that.

For the last two years, in 2016 and 2017, the British Quidditch Cup has been held at Rugeley Leisure Centre.  Source: Wikipedia

Agnes Weston Bowers' father was Sir. John Weston of Rugeley II, (1458-1527). He was born in Ockham, Surry, England, died in Rugeley. Her mother was Lady Alice Edshaw Weston, born 1465 in Petworth, Sussex, England, and died about 1547, location unknown.  They would have been my 11th great grandparents.  The family consisted of about 2 daughters and 6 sons.  Again the last one was born after her 51st birthday.  But my connection is her earliest child, Agnes.

It looks as if the Westons are going to need further research...see you tomorrow!

Further back for Bowers family

The Ancestry trees say Edmond Bower had parents also.  Robert Bower (1493-1517) who married Agnes Weston Bower (1481-1535) in 1513 in Norfolk, Eng.

His parents were John Bower (1478-1498) and Joan Bridmore (1452-?) from Mere, Witshire, Eng.  I'm going to add a Jr. to his name, because he was the son of another John Bower, to whom I'll add Sr. for clarification while talking about them.  John Bower Sr. (1460-1479) married Dame Edith Eizabeth Gresly (Bower) (1462-1523).

But there were so many John Bowers, and the trees are loaded (literally) with them.  One generation has three born to the same mother.  I looked hard to see how old she would have been.  And then I threw up my hands.

I liked that one of the Westons might have had a daughter (whose name I've now forgotten) who married (or maybe it was a granddaughter) the son of Sir. Richard Rogers. I'm a descendent of his, and looked to see if she appeared on my tree.  No, and that son and grandson were the wrong ages to marry a daughter or granddaughter of the Westons.  It's all tied in with the peerage of England.  And that's why I quit going back up that branch of my tree.

I'll acknowledge some John Bower and wife were my 12th great grandparents.  I'm not going back any further than 1450 for now.  I know, I am probably missing the link to royalty.  It wouldn't make me feel a bit different.

But I won't miss the chance to check on a few other family branches that the wives might offer, besides the Westons.  What about Dame Greesly Bowers, Joan Bridmore Bowers, Joan Moggeridge Bowers, Werner Minster Bowers, and Barbara Smith Bowers?  Something to check for tomorrow.