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Wednesday, February 7, 2018

Thomas Welborn's part in the Regulators in NC

 2 documents,
Regulator of NC( reinactment by modern man)
One was signed by my ancestor Thomas Welbourn, a petition to the governor, much as other colonists were writing 7-8 years before the Revolution.

The second had been wirtten following the Regulator's conflict with the governor, when some of the colonists were being hanged.  This document had signatures requesting that Thomas Welbourn's good status as a citizen give him a pardon by the governor.

Transcription of letter in University of North Carolina archives

Transcription of letter in University of North Carolina archives
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And on another subject, another ancestor's birthday is Feb. 7.
Happy Birthday to my great great grandfather, George Washington Rogers, husband of Luci Gibbs Rogers (of the family we've been talking about this last week!)   George W. Rogers was born in 1820, and died too early in 1864, being one of the early pioneers to Texas from Tennessee.



Tuesday, February 6, 2018

Capt. Thomas Welbourn 1730-1778, a Regulator

Well, he may have been born on Jan 18, 1730, but I tend to believe a new version of where, and who his parents were.  I've just discovered an article in the Union County Heritage about him in 1981, which shows his parents were in Virginia, not Maryland. The article was published by the Union County Heritaqge Committee, Hunter Publishing Co, Winston Salem, NC.

The Maryland parents that some trees in Ancestry had given me had actually been born AFTER his own birth date of 1730.  So I already was doubtful about the Maryland connection. 

As a young man Thomas went to North Carolina. He married in Virginia, according to Ancestry (and the Union County Heritage article)...and started having his 10 children   And he has substantiating documents that he took part in the Regulators movement against the crown...and even later a petition asking for his pardon.
War of the Regulation, British Royal Governor William Tryon confronts the North Carolina Regulators in 1771.


Just what was the Regulator movement?
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Regulators of North Carolina

United States history
Regulators of North Carolina, (1764–71), in American colonial history, vigilance society dedicated to fighting exorbitant legal fees and the corruption of appointed officials in the frontier counties of North Carolina. Deep-seated economic and social differences had produced a distinct east-west sectionalism in North Carolina. The colonial government was dominated by the eastern areas, and even county governments were controlled by the royal governor through his power to appoint local officers. Back-country (western) people who suffered from excessive taxes, dishonest officials, and exorbitant fees also became bitter about multiple office holdings. They formed an association called the Regulators, which sought vainly to obtain reforms. They then refused to pay taxes or fees, punished public officials, and interfered with the courts. Finally, the Regulator insurrection was crushed by Governor William Tryon at the Battle of Alamance (May 16, 1771). Many frontiersmen fled to Tennessee, but the legacy of bitterness induced many Regulators to side with the loyalists during the American Revolution, in addition to continuing their own futile agitation for five more years.

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by John Spencer Bassett, 1867-1928

"The Regulators of North Carolina (1765-1771)
[Washington]: [Govt. Print. Off.], [1895].
Summary

John Spencer Bassett (1867-1928), professor of history at Trinity College (later Duke University), wrote extensively about North Carolina history, including the Regulation movement, about which he published a lengthy article in the 1894 American Historical Association Report. The Regulators were a large group of North Carolina colonists who opposed the taxation and fee system imposed by colonial officials in the late 1760s. This political argument led to a battle between the colonial militia and the Regulators in 1771. Following this battle, a few Regulators were hanged and the majority pardoned, bringing the movement to an end.
Prior to Bassett's investigation, North Carolina historians had seen in North Carolina's War of Regulation the beginning of the American Revolution in the colony, in part spurred by the religious beliefs of backcountry settlers. John Spencer Bassett argues in his frequently cited text that North Carolina's Regulation movement was not a revolution and that it was only slightly tied to the unrest in other parts of the North American colonies. Bassett's view is that the Regulators did not wish to change the form or principle of their government, but simply wanted to make the colony's political process more equal. They wanted better economic conditions for everyone, instead of a system that benefited the colonial officials. Bassett interprets the events of the late 1760s in Orange and surrounding counties as "a peasants' rising, a popular upheaval" (142).
Bassett notes that this upheaval was not religious in nature, but rather was opposed by four of the five leading denominations in the area. Indeed, Presbyterians were instrumental in helping raise troops to fight the Regulators, and a portion of Baptists excommunicated those who had taken part in the unrest. Bassett also downplays the role played by Herman Husband, the Quaker pamphleteer who is often identified as one of the movement's leaders. To Bassett, Husband was a moderate, simply attempting to bring the various sides together, but because of his prominence as a writer and a correspondent of Benjamin Franklin, government officials continually identified him as a leader of the disgruntled faction. Bassett's analysis of the Regulators' uprising remains the predominant understanding of these events, although today Herman Husband is still generally recognized as a leader of the Regulators.
Kevin Cherry

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Wikepedia has this:

Population increase and new settlers arrive

The origins of the War of Regulation stem from a dramatic population increase in North and South Carolina in the 1760s, following migration from the larger eastern cities to the rural west. The inland section of the colonies had once been predominantly composed of planters with an agricultural economy.
Merchants and lawyers began to move west, upsetting the social and political structure. They were joined by new Scots-Irish immigrants, who populated the backcountry.

Economic depression

At the same time, the local inland agricultural community suffered from a deep economic depression because of severe droughts throughout the previous decade. The loss of crops cost farmers not only their direct food source but also their primary means of an income, which led many to rely on the goods being brought by newly arrived merchants. As income was cut off, the local planters often fell into debt. The merchants, in turn, relied on lawyers and the court to settle disputes. Debts were common at the time, but from 1755 to 1765, the cases brought to the docket increased nearly sixteen-fold, from seven annually to 111 in Orange County, North Carolina, alone.[1]

Class war and political corruption

Such court cases could often lead to planters losing their homes and property so they grew to resent the presence of the newcomers. The shift in population and politics eventually led to an imbalance within the colony's courthouses, and the new and well-educated lawyers used their superior knowledge of the law to their sometimes unjust advantage. A small clique of wealthy officials formed and became an exclusive inner circle in charge of the legal affairs of the area. The group was seen as a 'courthouse ring', or a small bunch of officials who grabbed most of the political power for themselves.

Regulators organize and arrival of Governor Tryon

In 1764, several thousand people from North Carolina, mainly from Orange, Anson, and Granville counties in the western region, were extremely dissatisfied with the wealthy North Carolina officials, whom they considered cruel, arbitrary, tyrannical and corrupt. Local sheriffs collected taxes, as supported by the courts; the sheriffs and courts had sole control over their local regions. With the arrival of Royal Governor William Tryon in 1765, volatile conditions in the Province of North Carolina increasingly worsened, and a violent uprising would eventually occur. Many of the officers were very greedy and often would band together with other local officials for their own personal gain. The entire system depended on the integrity of local officials, many of whom engaged in extortion; taxes collected often enriched the tax collectors directly. At times, sheriffs would intentionally remove records of their tax collection to go back to residents to ask for more taxes. The system was endorsed by the colonial governor, who feared losing the support of the various county officials.

The effort to eliminate the system of government became known as the Regulator uprising, War of the Regulation, or the Regulator War. The most heavily affected areas were said to be those of Rowan, Anson, Orange, Granville, and Cumberland counties. It was a struggle between mostly lower-class citizens, who made up the majority of the backcountry population of North and South Carolina, and the wealthy planter elite, who comprised about 5% of the population but maintained almost total control of the government.
The stated primary aim of the Regulators was to form an honest government and reduce taxation. The wealthy businessmen/politicians who ruled North Carolina saw it as a grave threat to their power. Ultimately, they brought in the militia to crush the rebellion and hanged its leaders. It is estimated that out of the 8,000 people living in Orange County at the time, some 6,000 to 7,000 supported the Regulators.
The War of the Regulation is considered a catalyst to the American Revolutionary War, and it was waged against corrupt officials representing king and crown. Almost 300 Regulators became part of the Patriot Movement, and only about 30 claimed loyalty to the British Crown.

Regulator leadership under Herman Husband

Herman Husband became one of the unofficial leaders of the Regulators. Husband was from Maryland, born into a Quaker family. One of the major flaws in Husband's campaign was he tried to invite good relations with the eastern regions of North Carolina, mostly unaffected by the issues with local sheriffs. Husband retained very little control over the Regulators, who generally went against his policies of winning over public sentiment and committed acts of minor violence at regular intervals.
Another Regulator leader was James Hunter. He refused to take command of the Regulators after Husband's departure before the Battle of Alamance.
Captain Benjamin Merrill had about 300 men under his control and would have assumed control over military leadership after James Hunter, but he was unable to serve in the Battle of Alamance.

Anti-Regulator forces

Governor Arthur Dobbs, who wrote such popular works as Trade and Improvement of H'elend and Captain Middleton's Defense, served as the Royal Governor of North Carolina until his death in 1765.
William Tryon succeeded him. Tryon had an extremely lavish home built in 1770 in New Bern (known as Tryon Palace). This was resented by the Regulators, who were already paying substantial taxes. William (The Regulator) Butler was quoted as saying, "We are determined not to pay the Tax for the next three years, for the Edifice or Governor's House, nor will we pay for it."
Governor Josiah Martin succeeded Governor Tryon, in office, just after the end of the rebellion. His policies eased the burden, on former Regulators and allowed them to be assimilated back into society. Edmund Fanning was the main opposition to the Regulators. A graduate of Yale College, he was generally regarded by his friends as well disciplined and firm. He held many political offices in Orange County. He was once found guilty of embezzling money (along with Francis Nash) but was fined only one cent per charge.

Events

Breaking up the provincial court

North Carolina's colonial court met in Hillsborough. In 1768, the Regulators entered Hillsborough, broke up the court, and dragged those they saw as corrupt officials through the streets.[2] The mob attempted to have the judge try the cases that were pending against several Regulator leaders, including Husband. The presiding judge (Richard Henderson) quickly adjourned the court until the next morning to avoid being forced to make a ruling in the presence of an angry mob of Regulators, and escaped in the night. The Regulators rioted, destroying public and private property alike. Fanning was among the lawyers beaten, found after taking refuge in a shop neighboring the courthouse. According to judge Richard Henderson, Fanning's beating was so severe that "one of his eyes was almost beaten out."[1] The courthouse was systematically and symbolically vandalized. Human waste was placed on the judge's seat, and the body of a long deceased slave was placed upon the lawyers' bar. The mob continued to destroy shops and property in the town, and ultimately brought their destruction to Fanning's personal residence. After destroying all of the furniture and drinking all of his alcohol, they picked apart his entire house. Henderson's barn, along with his stables and home, were burned to the ground.[3] They cracked the church bell of the Church of England, but stopped short of looting the church due to their religious beliefs.[2]

Documents (more from my personal sources later, including one signed by Thomas Welbourn in 1868)

There were several different publications and petitions circulated to promote the end of taxation and other issues. A number of influential members of the area communities signed the Regulator Advertisement and the Regulator Petition, of which there were several versions of each. Each document identified concerns and issues relevant to the Regulator Movement. The terms Regulation and Regulator were introduced in the Regulator Advertisement in 1768.[4]

War

While small acts of violence had been taking place for some time, mainly out of resentment, the first organized conflict was in Mecklenburg County in 1765. Settlers in the region, who were there illegally, forced away surveyors of the region assigned with designating land. Minor clashes followed for the next several years in almost every western county, but the only true battle of the war was the Battle of Alamance on May 16, 1771.
Governor Tryon and his forces which numbered just over 1,000, with roughly 150 officers, arrived at Hillsborough on May 9. At the same time, General Hugh Waddell, supporting the governor, en route with his contingent of 236 men was met by a large contingent of Regulators. Realizing his force was outnumbered, he fell back to Salisbury. On May 11, having received word of the retreat from a messenger, Tryon sent the force to support General Waddell. He intentionally chose a path that would lead his forces through Regulator territory. He gave strict orders that nothing was to be looted or damaged. By May 14, his troops had reached Alamance and set up a camp. Leaving about 70 men behind to guard the position, he moved the remainder of his force, slightly under 1,000 men, to find the Regulators.
About 10 miles (16 km) away, a force of approximately 2,000 Regulators (by some accounts, 6,000)[2] without any clear leadership or supplies was gathered mainly as a display of force, and not a standing army. The general Regulator strategy was to scare the governor with a show of superior numbers in order to force the governor to give in to their demands. The first clash of the battle was on May 15 when a rogue band of Regulators had captured two of the governor's militia soldiers. Governor Tryon had informed the Regulators that they were displaying open arms and rebellion and that action was to be taken if they did not disperse. The Regulators did not understand the severity of the crisis they were in and ignored the warning. Despite hesitation from his own forces, Governor Tryon allegedly initiated the main battle of Alamance on May 16 by shooting Robert Thompson, who was the first death of the battle. The Regulators resistance crumbled somewhat quickly. The battle was over with nine deaths for the governor's forces and about the same for the Regulators. Virtually everyone captured in the battle was fully pardoned in exchange for an allegiance to the crown; however, six Regulators were hanged for their part in the uprising, including 4 officers of the colonial militia who had joined ranks with the Regulator's side. Those officers were Captain Robert Messer, Captain Benjamin Merrill, Captain James Pugh,and Captain Robert Matear.

Aftermath

Following the battle, Tryon's militia army traveled through Regulator territory, where he had Regulators and Regulator sympathizers sign loyalty oaths and destroyed the properties of the most active Regulators. He also raised taxes to pay for his militia's defeat of the Regulators.[2]
At the time of their defeat at the battle of Alamance, public opinion was decidedly against them. They were seen as a bunch of "lawless desperadoes" and Governor Tryon was praised for his actions in stamping out the rebellion.[5] As news articles spread the word of his victory, Tryon was branded a hero of the colonies for defeating the larger group of Regulators with his small, well prepared militia. However as the initial excitement over the glorious battle died down, many newsmen, especially in the Boston area, began to question the reasons behind the rebellion and investigated further to find its cause. Several reasons were found to see the destruction of the Regulators as an act of an oppressive government. Most particularly admonished was the methods in which Tryon himself had used to win the battle of Alamance. The use of a riot act, and the execution of rebellion leaders after the battle was frowned upon. Reports also indicated that severe battlefield misconduct had taken place on the governor's side, including giving the farmers a two-hour warning period before the battle began, and subsequently breaking that agreement to bombard them with artillery fire.[5]
Several trials were held after the war, resulting in the hanging of six Regulators at Hillsborough on June 19, 1771. Many of the main leaders remained in hiding until 1772, when they were no longer considered outlaws.
Many Regulators moved further west into places such as Tennessee, notably establishing both the Watauga Association at Sycamore Shoals (1772) in present day Elizabethton, Tennessee, the first independent white republic on American soil, and the State of Franklin (1784), another short-lived republic that failed to join the Union of the United States.
Source:Wikepidia

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There's the document that my ancestor signed, a petition to the Governor, which I'll show you in tomorrow's post.   There is also a petition signed by others asking for pardon of Thomas Welbourn.  


Monday, February 5, 2018

Maj. Elijah Lige Wilbourn's biography

There's a great story about Maj. Elijah Wilbourn (1763-1819) on my Ancestry tree...given by a Susan W. Batterton in 2013.  She names times that deeds of property changed hands, but I haven't personally seen them.  However, it's an interesting story, so here it is as she published it.

"Born in the Sandy Creek section of Randolph County, NC which was previously in Guilford County, NC
Moved to Union County, SC after perhaps living in Newton County, Georgia first.
When about thirty years old, having been married about five years, he purchased from George Crossley, of Union District, South Carolina, in June 1793, 150 acres of land on Buffalo Creek.
On June 10, 1799 he sold three slaves to William Smith of York County, S.C.
On January 9, 1806, he purchased 320 acres on the southeast side of Fairforest, a branch of the Tyger River at the mouth of Mitchell Creek.
On November 14, 1807, he acquired 300 acres on the east side of Fairforest.
There were several other land transactions including two mortgages on lands to secure sums of money due him.
His estate was administered by his widow and his son William Rowntree Wilbourn.
There is a family tradition to the effect that he served as a major in the Revolutionary War; but no records of such service have been discovered.
There is no known definite record to the effect that the seven Wilbourns who turned up in South Carolina in the 1780's and 1790's were the sons of Thomas Welborn but there is a preponderence of evidence that they were. 
Elijah changed the spelling of the name back to Wilbourn while others used various spellings.
He died in Union County, SC

Elijah was born in 1763 in the area of North Carolina that later was the site of a Revolutionary War battle.  

In 1756 the Deep River section in which the Welborn/Wilbourns lived was part of Rowan County, NC. In 1770/71 it became a part of Guilford County, and in 1779 was included in Randolph County, NC.
Guilford County was formed in 1771 from Rowan and Orange Counties. The former Orange/Rowan dividing line runs north-south through the center of Guilford. Guilford County also included what is now Randolph County until 1779, and Rockingham County until 1785.
The Battle of Guilford Courthouse took place on March 15, 1781, when the armies of General Nathanael Greene and Lord Cornwallis clashed at a site northwest of the present center of Greensboro. This battleground is now a National Military Park.
Source:Susan W. Batterton on Ancestry 2013.


His father Thomas died when he was 14 in April of 1778.  I'll post about his being in the Regulator Movement in North Carolina quite a while before the American Revolution broke out.

Elijah's mother, Esther Robinson Robertson Wilbourn,  has presence in the Randolph County NC 1790 census (which I just discovered) living with 1 male, 2 females and 8 slaves. She also is on a census in 1779 under her own name in Randolph County, NC (probably after having just been widowed.)  It is interesting that all of the other Ancestry trees have mixed up her husband's death date and place with her own.  This census of 1790 clearly shows she didn't die at the same time. And several of these bizarrre trees say she was born in California in 1735.

Though Elijah married Mary (Molly) Roundtree Wilbourn in 1788 in Union District SC, he still had a listing in the 1790 census in Randolph County NC, but was in SC for the birth of his first daughter in 1791.

The 1800 census has him in Union District SC. Some of his children are given that as the place of their births, and some in Spartanburg County SC.  There were (probably) 10 children. 




Sunday, February 4, 2018

More Welborns, Wilbournes or Wilborns related to me

To continue looking at where the children of my fourth great grandparents ended up, all born in Union District, SC to Maj. Elijah Wilbourne and Mary Molly Roundtree Wilbourne. (Yes there are spelling variations...and some first names confusion as well.
Yesterday we looked briefly at :

1. Martha Patsy Wilbourne Hayes (1791-1875)
2. Sabra Ann Wilbourne Gibbs (1792-1864)
3. Dorcas Lucinda Wilbourne Nance (1793-1875)
4. William Rountree Wilburn (1796-1878)5.  Nancy Wilbourne Nance (1800 - between 1860-70),
6. Mildred Roundtree Wilbourne Pruet (1801-1874)
7. James Rogers Wilbourn (1804-?)

The remaining children on my list are:

8. William Sanford Wilbourn (1803-1874) d. Panola MS or Huntsville, Walker, TX  - First, would a family name another son William with just a different middle name? Second, when I look at the hints on Ancestry, some of them are for Sanford, who lived and died in Texas. And some of them are for William who lived in MS.  So now to sort through them, and perhaps remove the William on this Sanford's name. That's my first thought.  But it won't be my first action!  I'm wondering if the "William" of MS stuff off of my Ancestry tree should be just Sanford's name.  Argh!

Oh goodie goodie, the other Ancestry trees are about evenly divided as to whether he died in TX or MS.  There is a grave and a wife's grave in MS.  That makes a good case for Sanford Wilbourn.  Now I'll look for some documents that give him William as well.  The only document that MIGHT be him, is a 1860 Census of Panola MS, Pleasant Mount post office. where he is S. Wilbourne age 56 (thus a birth in 1804, and has listed names of his family, Nancy 46, Ada 22, J.T. 19, Sidus 16, Lamar 14, Alice 11 and Sanford Wilbourne 4 (probably Jr.)  He's a farmer in that census, with a personal estate valued at $69,000.  There are a lot of other docs for Sanford, including a probate record in MS.  There's even a picture of him (no William in the name). I think I'll keep William in parentheses with a question mark for now.

Now let's see if any documents exist for the Sandford Wilbourne (spelled in any way) in Huntsville TX (besides having same birth and death dates according to all those trees!)  Nope, the same records of his 3 censuses in MS, and a Georgia Marriage doc, and then Find a Grave in MS with the date and description missing as to place, but it's the Web: Mississippi Index.  So I think it was not likely he died in Huntsville TX.

OK, I'm sorry to have bothered your time, going through all this.  I'm sorry I had to take my time doing it also.

9. Elijah Wilbourn (1810-1878 ) d. Panola Mississippi. He's also buried in the same Fredonia Methodist Church cemetery which has a seven page list of graves where 27 Wilbourns are listed who are buried there!  Here's a photo of Elijah and his wife.


Written on back: Major Elijah Wilbourn, Jr. 10th child, 4th son of Major Elijah Wilbourn and his wife Mary Roundtree Wilbourn.  Elijah Jr. was born in Union County, South Carolina. He married Eliza Duggan.
And Elijah had a son named William Sanford Wilbourn, 1853-1935! But on my list of children, I only had him as the 9th child, so perhaps there's another daughter that I've missed, according to the notation on the back of the photo saying 10th child.

10. Jane Wilburn Bishop 1811-@1890. d. Panola MS  She also married in Newton GA where one of her siblings also had nuptials. She may have died before 1890, as her grave marker has no dates, but her husband died in 1880. She was buried in Rose Hill Cemetery, Sardis, Panola County, MS where her husband had his grave. Her name is engraved on the stone, but no dates.  Several Ancestry trees say she died in 1890, and others say she was alive as of 1850...I'm going to the 1890 guess.

11. Elizabeth Wilborn Robinson, 1812-1888, buried at Putnam Baptist Ch Cemetery, Buffalo, Union County, SC.

The conclusion is how many remained in SC? 3
Mississippi?  4
Alabama? 1 (possibly) 1 certain
Georgia? 1
Texas? 1

And remember Elijah Sr. stayed in SC while his wife moved to MS (perhaps after he died)



Saturday, February 3, 2018

More wandering great uncles and aunts - The Wilbournes

My Wilbourne relations...
I've skipped over Sabra Ann Wilbourne Gibbs, and yet she, and her family are just as much my relatives as those Gibbs that I've been talking about in SC.

So there were 11 brothers and sisters?
They were all born in Union Dist. SC, and then they may have stayed there, or moved to other states.
Let's see:

My 4th great grandparents were Maj. Elijah Wilbourne (1763-1819) and
his wife: Mary Molly Rountree Wilbourne (1772-1851)

Incidentally, Elijah's father Thomas Welbourn was a member of the Regulator movement in North Carolina before the Revolutionary War. (Source: Find a Grave site for Mildred Roundtree Welborn Pruet.)  I'll have to post about that another time.

Children :
1. Martha Patsy Wilbourne Hayes (1791-1875) d. in Pendleton, Anderson Cty, SC

2. Sabra Ann Wilbourne Gibbs (1792-1864) d. in Walker Cty, TX

3. Dorcas Lucinda Wilbourne Nance (1793-1875) d. in Pendleton, Anderson Cty, SC

4. William Rountree Wilburn (1796-1878) d. Panola County, MS in,Fredonia cemetery, Como MS married according to his grave inscription "In memory of my husband." but no other records of his wife.
Wilbourn plot at Fredonia Ch, Como MS more details below
5.  Nancy Wilbourne Nance (1800 - between 1860-70), d. Muskogee County GA

6. Mildred Roundtree Wilbourne Pruet (1801-1874) d. Clay Co, Alabama

7. James Rogers Wilbourn (1804-?) d. Y, Somme, Picardy, France (I don't understand this place, as several other siblings including females have this suggested as place of death on SOME Ancestry trees.) He lived in Newtown GA in 1840 with a household of 7, but there's no listing of wife or children (yet). He also is listed in 1860 in an Agricultural census, in So. Division, Talladega, Alabama.  I think I'll change his place of death to Alabama after 1860.  It's my tree. And there's nothing to support his dying in France on an unknown date.  It wasn't until 1917 or so that the Somme was a dying place for many young men.  I wish I know who the Rogers was that his middle name reflects.

(0)  Martha Patsy Wilbourn, (1801-?) this is a duplicate listing, with a wrong date, so now it is merged with the one above.

I'll continue this family's post tomorrow...dividing it up seems like a good idea, first because I've taken way too much time on it already, and second, because I need to give these great aunts and uncles good attention and not rush through.
















Friday, February 2, 2018

Where the winds took them - the Gibbs odessey

Where the Gibbs family moved in the 1840s-50s.

Census 1840: my great times three grandfather, Hiram Gibbs (1785-1844) had been in Union County SC with a family of 6, including 1 slave.  The household was 1 white male age 20-29, 2 white females under 5, 1 white female 15-19, 1 white female 20-29, and 1 male slave 10-23.

But the age of the male is too young in the 1840 census as Hiram would have been 55 years old by then.  His youngest son (8) Hiram Jr. was born in 1829, so he also would not have been between 20-29 years old as a head of household. I very much doubt that that household belonged to Hiram Gibbs...and I wonder whose it was.

Here are the family dates:
wife Sabra Ann Wilbourn Gibbs 1792-1864
1. Dr. Jasper Gibbs 1810-1877
2. Thomas Gibbs 1812-1872
3. Mary Ann Gibbs Canfield 1814- 1864
4. William Wilbourn Gibbs 1816-1844
5. Lucinda B.Gibbs Rogers (Luci) 1818-1884
6. Sandford St. Johns Gibbs 1819- 1896
7. Angelina Gibbs 1822-1846
8. Hiram Gibbs Jr. 1829-1869

Hiram had older sons, who may have been between 20-29 in 1840.  Not his oldest, (1) Jaspar, who turned 30 in 1840, and though he had married in 1838, they only had their first child...nor the next one down, (2) Thomas, who didn't marry until 1848.  The next brother, (3) William, was 24, no info on his wife who buried him,  (4) Sandford St. John Gibbs was just 21, and he didn't marry until he was in his 40s.

So perhaps Hiram wasn't really part of the nose-count in 1840, though the house was still in his name.  But it seems as though a male and a female in the 20-29 age bracket would speak to a married couple with 2 little girls, and a teenage girl as perhaps a servant/nanny, and the one slave who could have been anywhere from 10-23 years old.

Could any of the daughters used his name as a head of their own household, if their husband was absent? Not the way I look at their ages and marriages. So I really don't know who this 20-29 year old couple with "Hiram Gibbs" as head of household, and 2 daughters under 5, could have been. There were no grandchildren born yet either. What a quandary!

Wait, let's look at Hiram's brothers and sisters, and his wife's family...I'm looking under every stone to figure out who was in that census in 1840!

There's a John Gibbs, Esq. on the same Union County SC census page as Hiram Gibbs in 1840.  But Hiram's older brother John had moved to KY before then.  Hiram's older brother Zachariah had a son John who didn't marry, but was born in 1810 so he would have been the right age.

OK, I'm not going to get an answer to that 1840 census...not tonight anyway.

Then in Jan 1841, Hiram is listed in Panola County MS as head of a household made up of 3 males and 4 females.   Another male has joined the household, but this census didn't have ages listed, nor slaves.

I do have a record that his son (4)William was living there in MS with him, because that's where he died in 1844.  And that's also where Hiram died the same year.

None of the rest of the family who I have any records about was in MS.

Oldest son, (1) Dr. Jasper Gibbs, moved to Gibsland, Bienville Parish, LA...and I spoke about him here.  I wish my cousin, Denton Culpepper,  had sent me a photo of the Gibbs house which he wrote in 2016 that he currently owned.

(2) Thomas Gibbs married Nancy Theressa Rogers from Sevierville, TN by 1848, but where isn't noted in Ancestry.  They lost their first two babies when they were born shortly after that, in TX where they had relocated with many other Gibbs family members.  Nancy died in 1856, and Thomas remarried about 1859 and later moved to Arkansas while raising more children.

(3) Mary Ann Gibbs Canfield moved first to Mount Lebanon, Bienville Parish, LA,  where her only child was born, then was living in Freestone, TX by the time she died, but she was buried in Bienville Parish LA.

(5) Lucinda (Luci) Gibbs Rogers moved first to Bienville Parish LA, then to Huntsville, Walker County TX, with her husband George Washington Rogers (my great great grandparents).  (Past posts Here, and HERE,  and Here.)

(6) Sandford married and had his first daughter born in TX in 1857, but then his wife and baby both died in 1863. He remarried in 1866 and had 7 more children, all in Huntsville, TX.

(7) Angelina didn't marry and died in LA.

(8) Hiram Gibbs Jr (son of Hiram my great times 3 grandfather) married and died in Mount Lebanon, LA.  There was another Hiram Gibbs Jr. by that time, so knowing who the father was makes a difference.

What of Hiram's wife, Sabra Ann Wilbourn Gibbs?  She moved to the Huntsville, Walker County TX  homestead before she died at age 74.  But apparently her mother died in the same place in MS that Hiram had, Panola County, in 1851.  And Sabra had 11 brothers and sisters all from Union County SC.  I haven't checked yet but I'll bet some moved to LA and some to MS.

Union County just didn't have enough room for all those people in the 1850s and land out west was cheap.

So where they went summary:
father Hiram - MS
Mother Sabra -TX

 children...
Jaspar - LA
Thomas - TX then AK
Mary Ann - LA
William - MS
Luci - TX
Sandford - TX
Angelina = LA
Hiram - LA

Today's quote;


WORD FOR THE DAY
I wish I could show you, when you are lonely or in darkness, the astonishing light of your own being!
Hafiz
 










Thursday, February 1, 2018

The Col. James Gibbs family

I spent a couple of hours the other day looking at the records of the children that Col. James and Anne Barnett Gibbs had between them, on Ancestry. That meant checking sources for all those little hints that are being blandished about.  I wish they wouldn't somehow put 10-20 other Ancestry trees as hints, which all say about the same thing.  And above all (yes this it the extent of my rant against Ancestry for today) I wish their algorithm wouldn't use a tree as a source...it's just a information gatherer...and lots of that information is not sourced at all! 

My intent was to find any links to cousins that may still be living in the South or North Carolina area, which is where I currently live.  There are lots of possibilities!  But I also found that generation was the big wave of movement west and south into frontiers that were just being opened.  I also discovered a few children who weren't really James and Anne Gibbs children, but might have been from that general area so were added to their family. NOT funny!

 First I admit to taking off Anna (b. 1801) and James (b. 1817) since Ann Barnett Gibbs could not have mothered them after having been born in 1740.  Nor could James Gibbs because he died in 1794.  REALLY NOW PEOPLE!

These are the children that I can pretty well believe were theirs:
Agatha Gibbbs White 1770-1848
Zachariah Gibbs 1772-1814
John Gibbs 1774-1851
Ambrose Barnett Gibbs 1777-1835
Susannah Gibbs 1781-1814
Hiram Gibbs 1784-1844 (my 3rd great grandfather)

Agatha had 2 children (White last name)
Zach had maybe 7 children, though 3 are listed as all being born in 1810.
John may have married twice, but has no children listed at this time.
Ambrose had 3 children
There's no information that Susannah married or had children at this time.
And Hiram had 8 children, all of whom lived to adulthood. One of his daughters didn't marry or have children. 

As I've mentioned elsewhere, 2 of the Hiram Gibbs children married into the Rogers family, a Gibbs man married a Rogers woman, and a Gibbs woman married a Rogers man...both brothers and sisters.  So everyone was an aunt or uncle of everyone, and the children were so merged in their cousin-hood, I doubt that they cared.

But let me go back to the children of Col. James and Anne, namely the Whites, Zach Gibbs' children, and Ambrose Gibbs' children.

I want to see if any of them stayed in this area, while Hiram and all his children took off to Alabama, Texas, Mississippi, Louisianna, and who knows where else.

Well, I just realized how this will become exponential, and of course there will not be any people listed who are alive today.  Somehow I forgot that part of Ancestry..there are only the deceased on it.  I did find an interesting first cousin, 4 times removed, Spencer Gibbs, son of Ambrose.  He fought in the Civil War, enrolling at age 42, then re-enrolling later after his first tour was up.  He and his family had moved to Mississippi.


So now to look at the huge maze of Zach's seven children.  Very briefly!  First, they all lived to adulthood.  
1. His oldest son, Laban, married and had one child.  His wife was Jemima Sellers Gibbs.  I had an Aunt Jemima! No, just a cousin, four times removed, by marriage.
2. Second child was Anna, born in 1801...ah ha! She was his child, not Col. James! See I was right to remove her from his immediate family.  She ended up being his granddaughter (I think.)
She married another White, and had 15 children.
3. Priscilla married but had no children.
4 Churchill never married and lived in Union District SS all his 81 years.
5. No info on John who lived from 1810-1880
6. Nothing on James who lived from1812-1842
7. No info on Mary 1814-1884
8. John (also born 1810) who died 1892, somehow mixed up in Ancestry...definitely same parents, same birth year...oh the headache...he was Rev.John Ottis Gibbs, who married and had one daughter.

So of my 1st Cousins, 4 Times Removed, I have just found how many who had more children?  I'm not even going to count.  Lots. And their great-grandchildren's grandchildren are probably my generation...4 greats down from them to my generation.

OK, when I meet anyone named White, or Gibbs (or Rogers of course) I'm going to see where their family is from!