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Friday, August 13, 2021

More confusing information

I read one biography which describes Daniel Rogers, (1540-1590) as the son of Rev. John Rogers, who fled England when Queen Mary came to power. This Daniel clearly wasn't the son of the Rev. John Rogers the Martyr...burned at the stake by the same Queen.

Which one was he?

Here's the questioning biography. He lives the same life, marries the same woman, but just had a different Rev. John as his father. This is known as Chalmer's Biographical index. It is noted that he confronts another biographer as being the source of evidence that shows the mistake...namely Strype, in his Life of Whitgift had made the error (as shown in the second and third screen shots below)


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However, many other biographies do connect Daniel to Rev. John the Martyr.


This above, gives the same history, with the Martyr as his father, in "The Dictionary of National Biography, Vol. 17."

The following is from "Families Directly Descended from All Royal Families in Europe (495-1932)
and Mayflower Descendants"



The next page continues with John and Adryan Pratt Rogers' children (as already shown previously)


And further down the page is a discussion of the Rogers coat of arms, as well as additional  descendants...






So Daniel may or may not have been son of the Martyr. Let's look at the rest of the listed children...

Now let's go to the fifth child listed, Thomas Rogers. Again, there is cross-over information with similar dates and marriages to a brother's. And he isn't even listed among the names of John and Adriana's children. So I'm taking him out of the tree for now.

Six: Bernard is definitely of interest, because my line flows from him.

In The History and Genealogy of the Mayflower Planters and First Comers to ye old Colony, Vol 1. under the Rogers we see...


It's interesting that the history of the Martyr's family is by Chester, where the oldest I've found was by Fox...just something to keep checking.

Bernard was born in 1543 in Wittenberg, Saxony, He married in 1564 to Agnes Carter. who had been born in 1544 near the English/Scottish border. They had a son, named after the grandfather's "nom de plume" used while translating the Bible into English, Thomas Matthew (Fitz) Rogers. The Fitz in the Rogers name supposedly came from Scottish connections, but we don't see any in reality. Bernard died on 20 Feb, 1609 in Stratford on Avon, Warwickshire, England. His wife Agnes died in 1644 in Northhamptonshire near the English/Scottish border. Their son Tomas Matthew Rogers had been born 11 July 1565 in Stratford on Avon, Warwickshire, Eng. and he died in the same place on 20 Feb. 1611. 

It was Thomas Matthew Rogers' son with his same name who was a member on the Mayflower. He is not in my lineage, however, but his brother, John Fitz Rogers (born 1609 or 1611) who immigrated to Virginia, and is thus my ancestor.

But let's not forget the rest of Rev. John the Martyr's children. If there's anything else I can find about them, I'm actually getting close to having only 11 on my tree.

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1 comment:

  1. Hi, Barbara, I'm a couple of years late in this reply after your 2021 posting of the supposed Stratford-on-Avon Rogers. Looking at the Parish Registers of Stratford-on-Avon, there is no death/burial for a Bernard Rogers in 1609 or at all the parish record for his name. And there is no birth/baptism for their supposed son "Thomas Matthew Rogers", specifically 11 July 1565, or in any other Stratford births recorded between 1558 and 1652. There is a problem here that has been perpetuated by a genealogist way back. By the 20th century, the made-up genealogy of Bernard and "Thomas Matthew Rogers" was found to be untrue by historians with access to the Stratford-on-Avon parish records of baptisms, marriages and burials. I have all three transcribed books in my home library. So much of what you write is true history, so thank you for that. Marylyn mpauley4@gmail.com

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