The new (older) ancestors in the Rogers history

Thomas Matthew Fitz Rogers (11 Jul 1565 - 20 Feb 1611) was the son of Bernard Fitz Rogers (1543-1609), who was the son of Rev. John Rogers the Martyr.

Thomas Matthew had been named after the nom de plume of Rev. John when he translated the Bible into English. 

Thomas' mother, wife of Bernard, was Agnes Carter Rogers, (1544 - 20 Feb.1583)

But also we now know the parents of Agnes. Her father was Thomas Carter (1520 - 24 June 1584) and her mother was Cicily Isobel Grove Carter (1524 - 14 Feb 1593)

I just found these ancestors, so have a whole bunch of hints to follow...some of which may change the information that I already have...none for Thomas Carter, but 14 hints for Cicily.

And most of them were that various church records told of the children of Thomas and Cicily...so I added a few brothers and sisters besides Agnes.  

Cicily Isobel Grove Carter's parents were Robert Groves II (1498-1580) and Lady Joane Baskerville (1500-1545) These 13 times great grandparents are the furthest back in her side of the family.

But now I have 11 hints for her husband, Where did they come from anyway? A few minutes ago there weren't any for his name. Perhaps these will be just the parentage of those children from the church records...let's see..

Well, the3 new Ancestry trees all combine Thomas with a William...and give records of William Thomas Carter...with the same birth and death dates. But hey folks, there are written legible church records from the time of his actual life, where he is cited as Thomas Carter, not William Thomas Carter. Therefore, bah humbug on William!

Thomas  Carter (1520 - 24 June 1584) married Cicilye Grove on 2 Feb 1572 according to at least 3 different sources. That's fine, but look at their ages in 1572. If they had been born in 1520 and 1524, Cicilye was past childbearing age. So there's still a bit of a crunch going on here. and I'm going to consider these were the parents of Agnes Carter (born in 1544) still. If Thomas was her father, someone else was her mother. Or perhaps the marriage didn't occur until Cicilye was 48 years old. Still a bit iffy.

Now if Thomas was really William...and that marriage to Cicilye was his brother Thomas...or he had these other 2 marriages earlier...see how much wiggle room ancestry has? Not good at all!

So I'm going to just accept that Cicilye Grove and Thomas Carter had Agnes as their daughter in 1544, but didn't get married until 1572.  I can't go any further, because the records all suggest the next generation of Carters are parents of the newly minted William Thomas Carter.

Thomas and Cicilye Carter are my 12 times great grandparents. I'll accept that!